{"id":336655,"date":"2017-03-24T08:11:05","date_gmt":"2017-03-24T00:11:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/techcrunch.com\/?p=1467782"},"modified":"2017-03-24T08:11:05","modified_gmt":"2017-03-24T00:11:05","slug":"credo-and-cloudflare-argue-against-national-security-letter-gag-orders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/people.utm.my\/asmawisham\/credo-and-cloudflare-argue-against-national-security-letter-gag-orders\/","title":{"rendered":"CREDO and Cloudflare argue against national security letter gag orders"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/01\/fbi-gag-cloudflare-credo.png?w=738\" class=\"\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Earlier this week, the FBI finally allowed Cloudflare and CREDO Mobile to identify themselves as recipients of national security letters, which allow the agency to secretly order tech companies to hand over customer data. (The FBI initially allowed Cloudflare and CREDO to disclose some but not all of their NSLs; TechCrunch reported in January the two companies had received additional NSLs and were\u00a0<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2017\/01\/13\/cloudflare-and-credo-are-still-gagged-from-talking-about-national-security-letters\/\">gagged from discussing them<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>This means CREDO and Cloudflare can admit for the first time that they are the companies behind one of the longest-running legal challenges against NSL gag orders. Their case, which was argued at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals yesterday, is officially renamed \u201cCREDO &#038;\u00a0Cloudflare v. Jefferson Sessions\u201d rather than \u201cUnder Seal v. Jefferson Sessions\u201d and if Cloudflare and CREDO prevail, it could have a massive impact on the FBI\u2019s use of the secret orders and the gag orders that accompany them.<\/p>\n<p>But even though the companies can now admit they received these secret requests, Cloudflare and CREDO are still arguing in the 9th Circuit that the years-long gag orders preventing them from discussing the NSLs violate their right to free speech. The claim is a bit threadbare now that the gag orders are mostly lifted \u2014 Judge Sandra Ikuta opened yesterday\u2019s\u00a0hearing by asking if the entire case is now moot \u2014 but the two firms say the case must continue because they\u2019re still gagged from discussing some of the details of the NSLs, like the identity of the subscriber whose data was requested.<\/p>\n<p>The FBI, on the other hand, says that most companies are perfectly happy to keep the NSLs they receive secret. \u201cMost of the entities that receive NSLs do not have this interest in publicly speaking,\u201d Justice Department senior counsel Lewis Yelin said.<\/p>\n<p>This claim seems bananas to me. Set aside the ideological contortions that go into arguing\u00a0that someone doesn\u2019t enjoy free speech protections because other people don\u2019t want to\u00a0discuss the same topic, and you still have to confront the fact that every major tech company publishes a transparency report detailing the kinds of requests they receive from law enforcement. Even Slack put out a transparency report, although they only had <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2016\/05\/04\/no-one-organizes-any-crime-on-slack-apparently\/\">one government request<\/a> to disclose.<\/p>\n<p>When the FBI does allow companies to discuss their NSLs, the companies often go back and add them in to previous transparency reports. All of this transparency reporting seems to indicate that companies very much want to talk about the NSLs they receive.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s some stuff that major tech firms have said about NSLs recently:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2016\/06\/01\/usa-freedom-act-allows-yahoo-to-disclose-3-national-security-letters\/\">Yahoo<\/a>:\u00a0\u201cWe believe there is value in making these documents available to the public to promote an informed discussion about the legal authorities available to law enforcement.\u201d<\/li>\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2016\/12\/13\/google-national-security-letters\/\">Google<\/a>: \u201cWe have fought for the right to be transparent about our receipt of NSLs. This includes working with the government to <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/googleblog.blogspot.com\/2013\/03\/transparency-report-shedding-more-light.html\">publish<\/a>\u00a0statistics about NSLs we\u2019ve received, successfully <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.google\/topics\/inside-google\/new-data-more-facts-update-to\/\">fighting<\/a> NSL gag provisions in court, and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.judiciary.senate.gov\/imo\/media\/doc\/11-13-13SalgadoTestimony.pdf\">leading the effort<\/a> to ensure that Internet companies can be more transparent with users about the volume and scope of national security demands that we receive.\u201d<\/li>\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2017\/01\/27\/twitter-releases-national-security-letters\/\">Twitter<\/a>: \u201cTwitter remains unsatisfied with restrictions on our right to speak more freely about national security requests we may receive. We would like a meaningful opportunity to challenge government restrictions when \u2018classification\u2019 prevents speech on issues of public importance.\u201d<\/li>\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/newsroom.fb.com\/news\/2016\/12\/global-government-requests-report-6\/\">Facebook<\/a>: \u201cWe\u2019ll also keep working with partners in industry and civil society to push governments around the world to reform surveillance in a way that protects their citizens\u2019 safety and security while respecting their rights and freedoms.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>You get the idea.<\/p>\n<p>I asked Yelin about his argument\u00a0after yesterday\u2019s hearing and he very politely\u00a0referred me to DoJ\u2019s press office (seriously, it was one of the nicest \u201cno comments\u201d I\u2019ve ever received) which has not yet responded to a request for comment.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe FBI issues tens of thousands of national security letters every year and receives very few requests for disclosure,\u201d Yelin argued in court. \u201cNot all recipients of national security letters wish to disclose the national security letters.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I also asked Cloudflare and CREDO\u2019s lawyer, Andrew Crocker of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and he offered a theory about what the government\u2019s position might be: Because not many companies challenge the gag orders in court, the government can argue that companies don\u2019t mind being gagged.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt allows the government to make the argument that companies don\u2019t want to talk about it, because where are all the companies filing lawsuits? But the reason there aren\u2019t these lawsuits being filed is it\u2019s very costly to file a lawsuit, it\u2019s intimidating to stand up to the FBI,\u201d Crocker said. \u201cYou shouldn\u2019t have to stand up to the FBI. When the government wants to gag you, the government should have to justify that gag order. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s a legally proper argument to say we can assume they don\u2019t want to talk if they don\u2019t exhibit a desire to speak.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ll see if the 9th Circuit agrees.<\/p>\n<p><small>Featured Image: Bryce Durbin\/TechCrunch<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"680\" height=\"383\" src=\"https:\/\/tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/01\/fbi-gag-cloudflare-credo.png?w=680\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/01\/fbi-gag-cloudflare-credo.png?w=680 680w, https:\/\/tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/01\/fbi-gag-cloudflare-credo.png?w=1360 1360w, https:\/\/tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/01\/fbi-gag-cloudflare-credo.png?w=150 150w, https:\/\/tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/01\/fbi-gag-cloudflare-credo.png?w=300 300w, https:\/\/tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/01\/fbi-gag-cloudflare-credo.png?w=768 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 680px) 100vw, 680px\" \/>&nbsp;Earlier this week, the FBI finally allowed Cloudflare and CREDO Mobile to identify themselves as recipients of national security letters, which allow the agency to secretly order tech companies to hand over customer data. 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