There are 2 great Malay leaders: one is kaca and the other one is permata. Anuar is the great orator whilst Dr. Mahathir  is the great author, you have to listen to what Anuar said, and read what Che Det wrote. Then only you decide who is kaca and who is permata.
I wrote this on my Facebook in 2011. We are now in 2020. Is it still relevant?